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jelly bean
Joined: 01 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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How exactly does his work offend you Simon?
... and which work best describes any offense that Sickert created?
You're concocting a ridiculous argument.
Thanks for posting Courbet's 'The Origin of the World'. Not sure if you find vaginas offensive... Anyways, I fail to see your point. |
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Simon
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| jelly bean wrote: | How exactly does his work offend you Simon?
... and which work best describes any offense that Sickert created?
You're concocting a ridiculous argument.
Thanks for posting Courbet's 'The Origin of the World'. Not sure if you find vaginas offensive... Anyways, I fail to see your point. |
My point is (plainly clear I thought).....
That art will always potentially offend, and it's ok.
And there's not much that offends me. Although Charles Billich and Anne Geddes I reserve to judge case by case.
You misquote me too. I didn't say I was offended, I merely predicted within reason I think, that an artist you like would have caused offence, while you are unhappy with answers to you question about whether artist should have licence to cause offence. And you make excuses for that artist, not that they are needed, which to me seems like you are ok that that art caused offence. Why is it ok for his art and not others? Just because it was awesome? Is that so ridiculous? And I chose to share some other awesome art. |
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jelly bean
Joined: 01 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Again, you ignore my request for an example, only to ramble on about nothing in particular.
You talk in rhetoric. I only hope your own work shows a higher level of clarity. |
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Simon
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| jelly bean wrote: | | Again, you ignore my request for an example, only to ramble on about nothing in particular. |
Actually that was only the first time I have ignored your request. This is the second. 
Why? well if you read back here's your request | jelly bean wrote: | How exactly does his work offend you Simon?
... and which work best describes any offense that Sickert created?
You're concocting a ridiculous argument.
Thanks for posting Courbet's 'The Origin of the World'. Not sure if you find vaginas offensive... Anyways, I fail to see your point. |
I am not going to pander to a misquote. For the second time *sigh* | Simon wrote: | | ....I didn't say I was offended, I merely predicted within reason I think, that an artist you like would have caused offence, while you are unhappy with answers to you question about whether artist should have licence to cause offence... |
| jelly bean wrote: | | You talk in rhetoric. I only hope your own work shows a higher level of clarity. |
What's it got to do with my work? |
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jelly bean
Joined: 01 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Simon,
If we're honest with each other, we might say that we don't like one another.
I didn't misquote you, as I didn't quote you at all.
You have ruined my life. I mean, you haven't, but let's say that coming to this forum and talking to the nice people is what keep my heart pumping... Maybe there's a little more to live for, but really, don't feel guilty.
Anyways, I'll suggest that one of the key reasons you're on here is to promote your own work... You put it out there, constantly. I have seen your posts (ads) regarding your exhibitions, etc. In the case that you're willing to offer your work so freely, I see no reason why I can't site it in general conversation.
.. Painting cars from photographs. I see nothing 'wrong' with your paintings, but they are very safe. Safe can be restricted, stubbornness can set in, and before you know it, you've missed out on observing the rest of the world that has passed on by. Advice or poor assessment, you decide, it's your work. I look forward to your next advertisement. |
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Simon
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| jelly bean wrote: | Simon,
If we're honest with each other, we might say that we don't like one another.
I didn't misquote you, as I didn't quote you at all.
You have ruined my life. I mean, you haven't, but let's say that coming to this forum and talking to the nice people is what keep my heart pumping... Maybe there's a little more to live for, but really, don't feel guilty.
Anyways, I'll suggest that one of the key reasons you're on here is to promote your own work... You put it out there, constantly. I have seen your posts (ads) regarding your exhibitions, etc. In the case that you're willing to offer your work so freely, I see no reason why I can't site it in general conversation.
.. Painting cars from photographs. I see nothing 'wrong' with your paintings, but they are very safe. Safe can be restricted, stubbornness can set in, and before you know it, you've missed out on observing the rest of the world that has passed on by. Advice or poor assessment, you decide, it's your work. I look forward to your next advertisement. |
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Hayley
Joined: 05 Feb 2007
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Location: Geelong
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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*sighs wearily*
You are an antagonistic creature jelly bean. I had dared hope you had decided to salvage your dignity and abandon this wearisome banter after an absence of a week.
I’m afraid you are way out of line in personally attacking Simon regarding his work. Need I fruitlessly point out (yet again) that your hiding behind anonymity (based on a flimsy preposition that you don’t want other artist’s comments muddying your head, and that you are too very famous) morally forfeits your right to attack others who are psychologically sound enough to post their own work. Stop it. It is boringly juvenile.
| jelly bean wrote: | | You have ruined my life. I mean, you haven't, but let's say that coming to this forum and talking to the nice people is what keep my heart pumping... Maybe there's a little more to live for, but really, don't feel guilty. |
I am sincerely concerned for you. This didn't seem to you to be melodramatic? If anyone you communicate with via a keyboard can affect you so deeply, it raises a big red flag. Seek professional help. Really.
Please don’t waste your time replying. I most certainly will not read this thread again. |
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tappis
Joined: 19 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| I like Robert Hannaford's paint |
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The Pook
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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Location: Tasmania
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| jelly bean wrote: | | You talk in rhetoric. I only hope your own work shows a higher level of clarity. |
The irony of this statement at several levels of meaning is amusing.
Given the dictionary definition of 'rhetoric' you can take this as a compliment Simon:
rhetoric n. art of persuasive or impressive speaking or writing. (Concise Oxford)
That is still the main meaning of the term, despite its secondary ironic use to mean insincere or empty words. |
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Amandav
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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Location: Hervey Bay
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| jelly bean wrote: |
Anyways, I'll suggest that one of the key reasons you're on here is to promote your own work... You put it out there, constantly. I have seen your posts (ads) regarding your exhibitions, etc. In the case that you're willing to offer your work so freely, I see no reason why I can't site it in general conversation. |
OK this is a different discussion so I can join in here and I feel that I must because I am absolutely outraged at your attack on Simon. How dare you!
You attack his work and his motives just becasue he doesn't cave in to your ridiculous illogical arguments.
Simon has been posting long before he was exhibiting, he has been a generous and active member of this forum ever since he joined. He has responded to simple requests, fun topics, ridiculous arguments and general discussions in an open and engaged manner as you wouldhope on a forum. Your motives for posting on the other hand seem a bit dubious.
I am one of the people (and there are others here) who have been lucky enough to continue this friendship over into real life and I have to say I feel priveliged to have done so.
Like most everyone else who has watched Simon's progress we are PLEASED and HAPPY when he lets us know about a show, it tells us all that dedication kindness and talent count for something.
And you say you don't like him because of some posts...what a terrible way to make decisions on who you do or don't like. A forum is a place for discussion, and I have to say the discussion is a hell of a lot tamer than you find in the art world or at art school so why you have taken such offence is beyond me. But never mind that, I really only want to say...Back off on Simon, he is one of life's good guys.
But then no doubt this will somehow end up becoming an attack on me instead, or as well. Luckily I don't really care. |
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Erika
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Jelly bean or whoever you are, this response is completely unaceptable. As Amanda has said, Simon has been a positive and active participant in this forum for a long time. He has enjoyed many good discussions and conversations and has never once personally attacked anyone, as you have just done. Quite the opposite in fact, he has shown enormous support to many posters. | jelly bean wrote: | Simon,
If we're honest with each other, we might say that we don't like one another. |
Being part of this forum is not about liking or disliking each other but about intelligent open and honest discussion, and about being free to voice your opinion.
. | jelly bean wrote: | | You have ruined my life. I mean, you haven't, but let's say that coming to this forum and talking to the nice people is what keep my heart pumping... Maybe there's a little more to live for, but really, don't feel guilty. |
Simon, have you or haven't you ruined jellybeans life? Are you meant to feel guilty or not...? 
Funny I would say that Simon is one of the 'nice people' you mention.
| jelly bean wrote: | | Anyways, I'll suggest that one of the key reasons you're on here is to promote your own work... You put it out there, constantly. I have seen your posts (ads) regarding your exhibitions, etc. In the case that you're willing to offer your work so freely, I see no reason why I can't site it in general conversation. |
Simon is simply sharing his work. No more or less than most other posters.
| jelly bean wrote: | | .. Painting cars from photographs. I see nothing 'wrong' with your paintings, but they are very safe. Safe can be restricted, stubbornness can set in, and before you know it, you've missed out on observing the rest of the world that has passed on by. Advice or poor assessment, you decide, it's your work. I look forward to your next advertisement. |
This however really takes the cake!
Have the decency to open your own work up for criticism, before you give it unwarranted to someone else. |
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The Pook
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| Every now and then (and of alarmingly increasing frequency of late!) I agree completely with something Amanda says. This is one of those times. |
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Sierra
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Also agree with Amanda and Erika.
Simon, don't listen to that rubbish from JellyBean.
She/He has eaten to many JellyBeans laced with something which turns her/his brains all goey.
[Holds up middle finger] ... JellyBean swivel on this one. 
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Simon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Back on topic, I like Robert Hannaford's paint too.
Proudly brought to you by the good people at
You see, so much money rolls in every time I place an ad here, I just can't help myself |
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The Pook
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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wo! hey man there might be epileptics out there! you trying to get our attention or what?  |
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