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KimO
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 Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Great work Belle - how big is it?
Yep, mostly all big paintings BB in all of them. Except the Neil Evans one is about 10cm sq & the Roger Borham was about 15x20cm. |
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belle
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Thanks Kim. It is 121cm x 211cm, two panels bolted together.
Most of the works were very big and then a couple of very small. The artist who painted Tim Olsen actually talked about inflated sizes of works in his statement. He chose not to because his subject wasn't someone who wanted to that obvious.
The Suliman is interesting - the criteria seems to cover everything else, anything goes! |
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art8dave
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| bigbunny2007 wrote: | | But to those who have seen the works in the Arch, sul and Wynne what is the sizes like?Did they go big? |
Big is the new black. The Wynne prize entrants are all very large.
Most Archibald entries are large although not so huge was the the Heath Ledger painting by Vincent Fantauzzo, my fav Achibald entry in years, it had a real sense of intimacy with the subject and an ambiguity in his eyes that just made you wonder. |
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jelly bean
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| art8dave wrote: | | bigbunny2007 wrote: | | But to those who have seen the works in the Arch, sul and Wynne what is the sizes like?Did they go big? |
Big is the new black. The Wynne prize entrants are all very large.
Most Archibald entries are large although not so huge was the the Heath Ledger painting by Vincent Fantauzzo, my fav Achibald entry in years, it had a real sense of intimacy with the subject and an ambiguity in his eyes that just made you wonder. |
AH, the Archiblad has always been a collection of large works... So see somebody at such a scale can be very powerful in itself. I'm glad to see that not all of the paintings were mere headshots though.
I have been twice now, and my tops three are:
Fantauzzo, Heath.
Philips, Wendy.
KDB, ... What is special about me.
I'm shocked at the quality this year! |
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sunday
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| jelly bean wrote: | | I'm shocked at the quality this year! |
How come?
I am yet to see the show in person and it's a bit hard to gauge quality from the website. |
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The Pook
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| jelly bean wrote: | | I'm shocked at the quality this year! |
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?  |
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art8dave
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Lots of Chinese artists this year... educated in the fundimentals of making a painting  |
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jelly bean
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| The Pook wrote: | | jelly bean wrote: | | I'm shocked at the quality this year! |
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? |
Oh, I mean it's a good thing.
The Moran was actually quite good this year also. Doesn't seem to pull the big name artists, but it was a solid showing this year. |
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darian zam
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Archibald - Generally the quality technically was excellent. Conceptually, mostly dull. Game needs to be lifted.
Wynne - same
Sulman - Kind of lame if that is the best of what is on offer.
Conclusion - Is this the cream of talent that we can muster Australia-wide? We can do better, especially with the concepts. Using that piece with all the previous Archibald winners as the opening painting for the show, was just cheesy. Save the corny parodies for the Sunday paper funnies. |
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jelly bean
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| darian zam wrote: | Archibald - Generally the quality technically was excellent. Conceptually, mostly dull. Game needs to be lifted.
Wynne - same
Sulman - Kind of lame if that is the best of what is on offer.
Conclusion - Is this the cream of talent that we can muster Australia-wide? We can do better, especially with the concepts. Using that piece with all the previous Archibald winners as the opening painting for the show, was just cheesy. Save the corny parodies for the Sunday paper funnies. |
Hrm, I'm a little sick of people rubbishing the Archibald with very little to back up their claims. Darian zam, have you ever entered yourself? I suspect that you may never have been hung.
Many of the portraits this year showed real insight. Portraiture is all about honesty, not false concepts.
If you would like to argue you point further, please find clear examples of works in the prizes.
Also - might I add - cheer up and appreciate art. People like yourself put a downer on the beauty of art for the rest of us. |
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darian zam
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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I stand by what I've said, and I think it's important never to accept the status quo. Just because something is at an acceptable level to you, doesn't mean it is to someone else (feel free to read what you want into that statement). Quite frankly, the Archibald is a conservative, and often boring selection reflecting fairly middle class taste and there is nothing wrong with attempting to shake things up a bit. I think the level of selection intimidates a lot of interesting artists and prevents them from entering. One of the best moments ever was when Adam Cullen won - it made so many people FURIOUS.
If you are sick of others voicing an opinion, don't get involved in a forum. |
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Simon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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I'm kinda with Darian here. I also like Adam Cullen's winning portrait. Not because it made people furious (which is good), but just because it's a good honest bit of painting.
Recapping in part a recent private conversation...
When John Olsen won the first thing he said was he felt like he'd won the Melbourne Cup. A very insightful comment. The Melbourne Cup is the most popular horse race with Australians, people go crazy about it and for that event everyone becomes a horse expert with an opinion and everyone remembers who won THAT race.
The Archibald is the Melbourne Cup of art events, the most popular in the calendar. Everyone remembers who won, everyone has an opinion and everyone is an expert and interested. For many it is their only annual gallery visit or interaction with contemporary art.
For people with a deeper interest there are (I am told) many better horse races than the Melbourne cup each year, and many other better art exhibitions/events. The Archibald rides on celebrity voyeurism for it's popularity. This years peoples choice perfectly exemplifies. And the Doug Moran prize, which is now a contemporary portraiture prize, without the celebrity component remains much less popular with less media coverage even though it carries double the prize cash and free entry for viewing.
But having said all that there is probably no jockey or horse owner that wouldn't want to win or race in Melbourne Cup, it won't ever do anything to harm their reputation. And personally, while it might sound like I am snooting the Archy's, I am not, I'd love to get hung one day, or win. I'd certainly consider it an achievement, but I take it for what it is. |
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The Pook
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| darian zam wrote: | | the Archibald is a conservative, and often boring selection reflecting fairly middle class taste |
What does "middle class taste" mean? That's just a boring cliched pejorative in itself.Just out of interest, what class do you claim to belong to yourself? Can't be working class or you would choose photographic realist every time (as often exemplified by the packing room prize perhaps?). Must be upper class then.  |
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jelly bean
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| darian zam wrote: | I stand by what I've said, and I think it's important never to accept the status quo. Just because something is at an acceptable level to you, doesn't mean it is to someone else (feel free to read what you want into that statement). Quite frankly, the Archibald is a conservative, and often boring selection reflecting fairly middle class taste and there is nothing wrong with attempting to shake things up a bit. I think the level of selection intimidates a lot of interesting artists and prevents them from entering. One of the best moments ever was when Adam Cullen won - it made so many people FURIOUS.
If you are sick of others voicing an opinion, don't get involved in a forum. |
May I just point out that you have said that you liked Cullen's portrait simply because it made some people "furious". Do you actually like the painting for what it is? (and honest quick angular sketch in brash primary colours) Personally, I don't find it to be spectacular - but it definately put it's finger on something primative and warming...
Your mention of 'middle class tastes' I find to be almost offensive. The middle class is growing and blurred in Australia. Are you pretending to be upper class?
I suggest that you post some work on this forum. I promise to be constructive. |
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jelly bean
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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If you are sick of others voicing an opinion, don't get involved in a forum.[/quote]
I am merely sick of hearing unjustified negativity. Atleast attempt to back up your claims. I enjoy people voicing their opinions - but I won't listen to negativity which is designed to lift your own ego.
Please, site works, make a case. Many people come here to talk about specific paintings, artists, techniques and attitudes. What is constructive about rubbishing Australian art? If these prtraits REALLY don't cut it, then I would like to hear how portraiture, in you view should change... What else can be seen, represented... |
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