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Simon
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 Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| bigbunny2007 wrote: | Once you see one of her large works in real life you will be sold on her work.I have been  |
Yes, I am wondering if those who have commented on her work have stood beside it. I was a bit interested last year when she had her show at Kaliman in Sydney, went along for a look and was quite surprised at how much more they are in real life. |
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Hayley
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Sorry Simon and BigBunny - guilty. 
Nope, haven't seen them in real life  . I appreciate her work is more impressive in the 'flesh', but I still don't like her style . It's just one of those subjective things I guess. What makes art interesting is that I believe it is impossible for an artwork to exist that everybody agrees upon. The resulting controversy why the Archibald is so successful  .
Cutesy makes me puke  . Please tell me they are not like that in person! 
(I love an overdose of emoticons occasionally!         ) |
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jelly bean
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Cutesy makes me puke . Please tell me they are not like that in person!
(I love an overdose of emoticons occasionally! )[/quote]
I can understand that it got noticed because Barton's approach is entirely unique.
I'm not sure that it's cute. The faces are strange, but flat, characterless. There is nothing loving about the painting - yet it's meant to be about how a mum and great love for her children. |
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The Pook
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| Hayley wrote: | | The resulting controversy why the Archibald is so successful . |
I might be wrong about this, but I seem to remember something in the dim dark recesses of my mind about the Doug Moran Prize being created in 1988 partly as a reactionary protest against the Archibald being too avant garde in its choices and too elitist in its subject matter (ie sitters of letters). Or is my forgettery getting the better of me? Wasn't the idea that the Moran prize should go to something recognizably a portrait in the traditional understanding of the word and reward traditional portraiture skills rather than a good idea or novel subject poorly executed? If that's so then it seems to be evolving into a mere copy of the Archibald with some of its controversial choices for finalists. |
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Hayley
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Can I add a quick disclaimer and apology... I seem to find myself venting unexpectedly and later realise pmt had a hand in it - well, husband is away working - the computer is the next best thing! Sorry - I'm normally a mild-mannered artist until Mrs Hyde takes over!
Jelly Bean wrote: "I'm not sure that it's cute. The faces are strange, but flat, characterless. There is nothing loving about the painting - yet it's meant to be about how a mum and great love for her children".
Yes, I agree with that. DKB's articulation of her deep love for her children is exactly the way I feel about my own child. Parenthood sparks a primal care and love mechanism that overrides everything (if push came to shove, that includes the father!). Yet her words seem incongruous with the painting where she looks off to the left and the children, whilst protectively enveloped and connected, look unhappy and flat. It certainly would be cutesy if they were smiling and looking at each other like the Brady Bunch intro, but there has to be some middle ground where the painting retains it's integrity and manages to also convey it's sentiment?
I think I'm being way too serious for a saturday morning...so I'm off to create a jellyfish costume from plastic for my 7 year old for a sea creatures parade tomorrow. |
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Simon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Leunig always has a nice take
from today's SMH |
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Minta
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| Hayley wrote: | Oh dear, so many great paintings and that's got to be my least inspiring. I'm not a professional art critic, nor a critically acclaimed artist, but I dislike DKB's work. As art, her work would make great book illustration. It is twee and reminds me of westernised Mangga - all big eyes and cutsie.
Now I shall shut up, keep my nasty opinions to myself (could I get a gig on Grumpy Old Women perhaps) and get back into my studio and improve myself, because I see the hilarious irony in slamming a major art prize winner when I would probably not even be let in the doors of the NSW Gallery as a visitor.
I shall have a commiseration drink for you this evening Ben Quilty (and the Heath Ledger artist - ?name?) Cheers. |
The things you hate about Bartons work are the things I love about it!! I love illustration when created as art, its a beautiful aesthetic so why not use illustrative influences to create gallery and exhibition work? It takes just as much skill and thought as other painting styles and should be celebrated, not relegated to book commissions which don't allow the artists to express their own ideas.
It must have been such a risk to be working like that early in her career and a huge achievement to have broken through the current conceptual/academic trend with something that is decorative, but still has a level of challenge and depth to it.
Her work doesn't look like an illustration to me, but more that it is stylistically influenced by it. To me it has enough ugliness to not be cutesy. The ideas behind it are that of an artist. I love that she has managed to make this kind of work into something that is respected in Australian art. |
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The Pook
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Marty C
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Anyone see any similarities here?
George Stubbs, Zebra
Rodney Pople, Stage Fright.
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KimO
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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I went out to see the Archies today & really enjoyed it - there were some FANTASTIC paintings. The Heath Ledger painting was even better in real life - just superb. The others I thought were the best were Grabowsky by Peteris Ciemitis, Long hair by Yi Wang was so masterfully painted, loved it. And Akira by James Cochran which doesn't look much on the screen was fabulous. Its made up of suble little colour blotches & dribbles, perfectly balanced & really beautiful & very unusual - I've never seen a technique like that before. And Sue McPherson's painting of Jan Williamson was simple & beautiful, no slabs, dribbles or gimmicks, just a wonderful portrait. It was interesting to see the KDB painting & it was very decorative, really liked the background & she definately has a unique style, but for me the other paintings I mentioned made the biggest impression on me. Good day!  |
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belle
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| I'm off to Sydney for the day to pick up my unsuccessful painting and will have a chance to check out the show. Always look forward to the Salon des Refuses. |
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The Pook
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: Re: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| belle wrote: | | I'm off to Sydney for the day to pick up my unsuccessful painting and will have a chance to check out the show. Always look forward to the Salon des Refuses. |
Was the painting really unsuccessful, or just the sale and/or attempt at winning something? If you liked it, then it's a successful painting isn't it? |
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KimO
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Yeah, good on you for having a go Belle  Enjoy the show. |
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belle
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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Thanks Pook and Kim - a nice way to look at it. It was a long drive there and back and Sydney traffic freaks me out but the gallery staff let us park out back while we looked through. Can't say I was as excited by it all as i have been in previous years. Loved the zebra and the Wynne winner is very lovely. There are some clever people out there. It seems less is more and of course my work is very "baroque"
It's called Banyan Stand - Magnetic Island |
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bigbunny2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re - Archibald 2008 |
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| Hopefully will get a chance to pop up there and have a look.But to those who have seen the works in the Arch, sul and Wynne what is the sizes like?Did they go big? |
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