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Brainless 1
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 Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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| bluemonk wrote: |
Oh, good thing you didn't visit our area over the week end .... they where spraying for MIXAMATOSIS!!!  |
Dear Shane,
I luv artist's for no other reason than they are crazy 
Good luck with your explorations within an extremely limited palette. Many an artist has gone there and survived.
What I was asked about and tried to show was a general palette that can suit most artists. I gave the basic range and there are 7-8 colours that could be added to it and almost all artists can use it to mix whatever they want.
Meanwhile thanks for you concern regading MIXAMATOSIS!!! , I am a tenacious pest and have already survived that & the Calicivirus.
I must confess to a large array of bad habits and if anything is gonna get me, it is the feared Avian Flu ( see piccie below )
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Bob Abrahams
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:31 pm Post subject: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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Brainless
Thanks for that response
I seems to me that life can be much easier, more relaxing and enjoyable being good bunny than it is to unnecessarily spend energy, getting angry and going round biting people 
Anyway I think we agree on all of the really important aspects about colour |
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Brainless 1
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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Yep about the colour stuff.
Also another bit of good advice for painters is to stay away from chicks errr I mean chickens. ( Egg tempera painters , tread warily ) |
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sunday
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Location: Victoria
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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Hi Brainless 1,
This is a great discussion you have generated here and I am enjoying learning from all responses. I think everyone is being incredibly generous with sharing their knowledge.
Just in relation to Julie's query regarding dust. Is it right that one should leave an oil painting for a minimum of 6 months to dry before varnishing? Now that's a pretty long time for heaps of dust to collect at my place - I don't really want to take to my canvas with a razor and I've tried blowing the dust which works to some extent. What about covering the painting with a sheet cloth as soon as the initial stickiness has gone?
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Brainless 1
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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| sunday wrote: | Hi Brainless 1,
This is a great discussion you have generated here and I am enjoying learning from all responses. I think everyone is being incredibly generous with sharing their knowledge.
Just in relation to Julie's query regarding dust. Is it right that one should leave an oil painting for a minimum of 6 months to dry before varnishing? Now that's a pretty long time for heaps of dust to collect at my place - I don't really want to take to my canvas with a razor and I've tried blowing the dust which works to some extent. What about covering the painting with a sheet cloth as soon as the initial stickiness has gone?
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Hi Sunday,
So far , I am enjoying this forum too and I have never gone so long without biting someone. maybe I am mellowing with my old age 
The ideal time an oil painting should be allowed to dry before varnishing is 6 months , but i hardly know an artist with that sort of patience.
You can retouch varnish a painting as soon as it is touch dry and it will still continue to dry until you need to varnish it. By putting a retouch varnish on , it also protects the paint and dust, cat hairs , spilled soup , beer etc etc can be easily cleaned off before varnishing.
If you dont varnish or retouch varnish your painting, you can wrap it until you want to varnish, however most artists varnish their paintings closer to when they are needed to leave the studio for exhibition. That could be anything from 1 week to years later.
So basically , there is an ideal , but most of the paintings out there have been varnished well before the 6 months. |
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splintered_image
Joined: 23 Sep 2005
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Location: NSW
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:56 pm Post subject: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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If you rest your canvas against the wall, with the painted side facing towards it, you should get less dust...
Hey rabbit, since glazing is the topic... How much medium should one mix with paint from the tube? I know it will vary from pigment to pigment, but roughly? Like is 50/50 too much? 
Coindcidentally, I've been using that Langridge glaze medium you mentioned. It must have Venice turpentine in it, since it smells so nice.  |
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BlueMonk
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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[quote="Brainless 1"] | bluemonk wrote: |
Oh, good thing you didn't visit our area over the week end .... they where spraying for MIXAMATOSIS!!! |
I fear that the most for all of us.
However check out what happened six month later.
Cheers, Shane.
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Brainless 1
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:44 am Post subject: Re: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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| splintered_image wrote: | If you rest your canvas against the wall, with the painted side facing towards it, you should get less dust...
Hey rabbit, since glazing is the topic... How much medium should one mix with paint from the tube? I know it will vary from pigment to pigment, but roughly? Like is 50/50 too much?
Coindcidentally, I've been using that Langridge glaze medium you mentioned. It must have Venice turpentine in it, since it smells so nice. |
Splinters,
Yes 50/50 is probably too much 
Personally , I like very thin glazes that are barely noticable. Using very little oil paint and a thinned down glazing medium ( so it would actually dry )
Yep, I believe the langridge glazing medium has a little Venetian turpentine in it. Good old David Coles for making such fine art materials. If you are in Melbourne and feel the need to pick someone's brain for info on art materials , you can do no better than going to "St Lukes" and asking him questions.
St Luke Artist Colourmen
is on 225 Gertrude St Fitzroy VIC 3065
ph: (03) 9486 9992
There's my tip of the week !,
he probably knows more about oil paint than anyone in any art shop in Australia. ( the rabbit isn't too bad either ).
PS The brainless rabbit is totally independent and has no connection or business interests with anyone or any art products. Rabbit is just interested in passing on the good oil |
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Brainless 1
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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| Bluemonk , s**t that's a big rabbit |
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atomika
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:53 am Post subject: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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i love air brushing my glazies on and building them up in thin layers
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Brainless 1
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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| atomika wrote: | i love air brushing my glazies on and building them up in thin layers
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Atomika,
Do you have a death wish ?
I hope you don't use toxic pigments and wear an appropiate mask that not only filters out the pigment but also the fumes.
Ingesting pigments because they are airborne is the easiest way to poison yourself, that and the fumes are not good for you.
Sundstrom ( I think thats how you spell it ? ) make the best masks, you can buy seperate cartridges for dust /fumes etc and the face piece tends to mould to you face , making it as airtight as possible. Try crash/panel beaters suppliers.
One question ; Are you a clean shaven boy ? ( not asking if you have had a Brazilian )
Because even the best mask has problems sealing the sides of your face if you have a three day growth.
Work looks cool !
Oh! , by the way , a good colour to use for an all over thin glaze is "Raw Sienna" . Adding extremely thin layers of it over a whole painting creates a beautiful glow. It mixes well with all colours and as it's a natural earth colour, it's not toxic.
Raw Sienna glazes also gives paintings an old world look to them ( think Mark Ryden ) and you can keep layering almost imperceptible layers of it until you are happy with the finish.
For those of you who don't know Mark Ryden's work , go to http://www.markryden.com/ and have a squiz |
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Brad Buchel
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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| Brainless 1 wrote: | | Bluemonk , s**t that's a big rabbit |
Sorry Brainless 1 ...had to sensor, these posts are seen live by the public on other sites you see.
I had alot of fun searching for this pic!  |
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Brainless 1
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:20 am Post subject: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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No worries !
Hey , that's a pig , not a rabbit !!! 
and you can't spell censor |
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sunday
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:08 pm Post subject: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for the tip splintered_image, now why didn't I think of that?
Brainless 1, you've referred to toxicity a number of times. I'd really like to avoid developing an allergy to oil painting, or anything worse for that matter. I wear gloves when painting because I like to use my fingers a lot and I need to be able to clean up quickly if the kids need me. I'm also aware of the high toxicity of the cadmium paints and work next to an open window. You've mentioned the mask when air brushing - are there any other precautions we can take
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Brainless 1
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Re - Everthing you wanted to know about Oil Painting . |
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| sunday wrote: | Hi everyone,
Thanks for the tip splintered_image, now why didn't I think of that?
Brainless 1, you've referred to toxicity a number of times. I'd really like to avoid developing an allergy to oil painting, or anything worse for that matter. I wear gloves when painting because I like to use my fingers a lot and I need to be able to clean up quickly if the kids need me. I'm also aware of the high toxicity of the cadmium paints and work next to an open window. You've mentioned the mask when air brushing - are there any other precautions we can take
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Sunday , you have 5 kids , It's a bit late to talk about precautions
Ooops sorry , you meant whilst painting
There is a book called "Artist Beware", I read it years ago and it was scary.
Basically , it said "everything will kill ya "
It lists the toxicity of every pigment and chemical used in all art materials and their effects on the human body. However it was useless to me , since I am a rabbit
Sounds like you are using common sense and you should be all-right.
Good ventilation is important and if you use toxic pigments then basically there is no need to worry if you paint with a brush. Most toxic ( not all ) pigments don't pass through the skin, but don't touch them just to be sure.
How nasty pigments get into you ;
1. you sand down an oil painting and breathe the dust.
2. you smoke with paint covered fingers and slowly eat little bits of paint
3. you eat food with paint covered fingers ( that's real stupid )
4. you try to make your own paint from dry pigment + oil ( don't do this, since you can never make oil paint as good as you can buy it )
5. you have a cut on your finger and you get paint all over the cut.
Most painters, using oil paint with brushes and a little common sense will have no problems using toxic pigments. You are more likely to experience problems from fumes rather than pigments. Use Odourless solvent , it has 1/9th the toxicity of mineral turps.
It is also a good idea to keep a lid resting on the turps jar that you wash your brushes out, (when you are not in the process of washing brushes). Also it is a good idea to get rid of turps stained rags or paper towels quickly , rather than have them slowly evaporating whilst they lay around in you studio. |
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