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gggraph
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 Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: Re - What's the point... |
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- Comments about, or promotion of the Outsiders Festival should be continued on that thread.
http://www.artforum.com.au/vtopic13554.html
Comments on the topic of this thread remain welcome.
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Steve Gray
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: Re - What's the point... |
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So what's the point...
After the show (www.regionalis.com.au)
and post other shows... I guess we could say we are threads in the cultural fabric of Art and its tangled web.
On the web there are places to hang out and places to avoid. it seems some spots are toxic and can lure the uninitiated, so the Artist needs to be aware of these "spots". |
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Stefan Maguran
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: Re - What's the point... |
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| I didn't get the impression that the show was that bad from what Amanda said, Steve. |
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AvG
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Re - What's the point... |
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| Stefan Maguran wrote: | | I didn't get the impression that the show was that bad from what Amanda said, Steve. |
No it wasn't a bad show. Not at all.
But I'm not sure that is what Steve is saying...is it Steve?
(And even if it was, post exhibition blues often cloud judgement anyway...need to get a bit of distance to appreciate what was achieved.) |
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Steve Gray
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: Re - What's the point... |
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Not a bad show, not at all... even post event blues wouldn't give me that.
It's hard to make a judgement call being so close to the event, but measuring from having seen heaps of shows over the years, It's not bad.
A show can be good if it sells lots of works (one way to measure)
It can be good if you get interesting critical review/s
It can be good if people just say nice things (some naive views taken with a grain of salt...)
I guess the start of this thread was more about the overall art exhibition scene... galleries (mostly) want to have stuff which sells. and those that seem to not have things which sell seem to sell after the viewer has been "lured" into the stock room, while the work/s in the gallery tell a bigger cultural tale.
It's all interesting... |
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Cat
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Re - What's the point... |
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| Steve Gray wrote: |
On the web there are places to hang out and places to avoid. it seems some spots are toxic and can lure the uninitiated, so the Artist needs to be aware of these "spots". |
..any examples you can give Steve?  |
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Steve Gray
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: Re - What's the point... |
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Yep, it depends on the type of art you produce, so a vanity gallery (a hire space) in the USA is considered a bit of a no no (a bit the same as here but it varies) if you want an ego boost any will do, if you want to be taken "seriously" be selective, ask questions, and do your research.
Remember I meant the "Art Web"  |
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Steve Gray
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:31 am Post subject: Re - What's the point... |
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Perhaps I should add what I think is toxic in this sort of context... hmm I had better tread carefully here...
A good art friend had a show at a "gallery", (they also do framing etc...) but the works hung for three weeks and it was touted as showing the Artists work, yet the space had great window space which had the owner of the gallery's own work hanging there, sort of similar in style to the actual artist's work in the main space...
It was a delicate matter being the Artist's first show in the gallery, but the guy running the gallery was oblivious to it being a problem... grr.... he had to be told, and still did nothing about it! a case of HUH? no idea... oh he had the gift of the gab and little else really.
Another example. An Artiste (say that with a frenchy accent...  ) who is bandied about (locally) as being THE person in the yarts... (locally) who teaches, paints and flips bits of this and that on to canvas and does some hideous works (badly drawn, more techniquey than skilled) but who teaches how to whack cliched gold and silver with some fabric on and WOW! don't we all love it? mmm not all but ok, just don't try to call it art...
So I see this as misguiding people as to what art can be all about and so we end up with a bunch of layers or styles of art which are "Plastique" (more french please) and I find this occasionally toxic... And yes I am jealous that someone can have the gift of the gab, and blabber on about a decorative piece and sell them to nimwits who feel they have just met an Artist... urrgggghh please...
Well enough for now, lets see if I have upset someone?   or perhaps provoke a response, some support or other thoughts on my toxic concepts? |
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thecatsgrin
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:47 am Post subject: Re - What's the point... |
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vans
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Re - What's the point... |
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| art8dave wrote: | | vansprang wrote: |
You can go to any interior furnishing store and buy art by the bucketloads, and a lot of it is just great. I buy it myself. It is cheap, I can buy it on impulse, and the colours are great.Just because i paint and draw doesn't neccessarily mean I can slap a colourful piece together overnight to cover the 2mx2m empty space on my wall. There is just so much art around
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You obviously have no idea what "art" is.
Just because some coloured paint is applied to a large canvas doesn't make it art..
You can dress crap up as much as you like, but it's still crap |
SIlly Soul--I don't think you fully grasped the context of what I was saying.
Look around your house. Can you honestly say that there is not one item of "crap" that you have enjoyed for visual stimulation? That was the point. There is so much visual imagery around, that it is difficult for the average punter to make a judgement. Do they want art or do they just need some vibrant colour to engage their mental status for a limited time/ I have admitted to buying "crap' for just that reason. It doen't mean I don't know my Warhol from my Rembrandt. |
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vans
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Re - What's the point... |
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| Stefan Maguran wrote: | | Stumbled upon your post, vansprang and I thank you for it - it explains in a way I wasn't able so far why I am organising an Outsiders Festival. Thank you, vansprang. Can I have your permission to use your text? |
Stefan, sorry I didn't give " my permission'" before, but hey, anyone can use anything I say anytime as long as you quote me, and as long as it doesn't get me lawsuit. Geez people, we aren't THAT precious are we, to have to argue about someone asking permission to use someone elses thoughts. Now, if you started using the term 'SATART" and claimed it as your own, THEN I would be pissed. |
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Stefan Maguran
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: Re - What's the point... |
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| Thank you. I can assure you that some uf us (not around anymore) have been so precious to be offended for quoting (with attribution) their contributions. There is a skeleton of a thread somewhere on this forum on this exact issue. |
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vans
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Re - What's the point... |
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| Steve Gray wrote: | Perhaps I should add what I think is toxic in this sort of context... hmm I had better tread carefully here...
A good art friend had a show at a "gallery", (they also do framing etc...) but the works hung for three weeks and it was touted as showing the Artists work, yet the space had great window space which had the owner of the gallery's own work hanging there, sort of similar in style to the actual artist's work in the main space...
It was a delicate matter being the Artist's first show in the gallery, but the guy running the gallery was oblivious to it being a problem... grr.... he had to be told, and still did nothing about it! a case of HUH? no idea... oh he had the gift of the gab and little else really.
Another example. An Artiste (say that with a frenchy accent... ) who is bandied about (locally) as being THE person in the yarts... (locally) who teaches, paints and flips bits of this and that on to canvas and does some hideous works (badly drawn, more techniquey than skilled) but who teaches how to whack cliched gold and silver with some fabric on and WOW! don't we all love it? mmm not all but ok, just don't try to call it art...
So I see this as misguiding people as to what art can be all about and so we end up with a bunch of layers or styles of art which are "Plastique" (more french please) and I find this occasionally toxic... And yes I am jealous that someone can have the gift of the gab, and blabber on about a decorative piece and sell them to nimwits who feel they have just met an Artist... urrgggghh please...
Well enough for now, lets see if I have upset someone? or perhaps provoke a response, some support or other thoughts on my toxic concepts? |
Ok, I will go there.
It realy goes back, as always, as to what people conceive to be art, and there realy is no scholarly guideline to determine this. And there shouldn't be, because one person's creative energy manifests totally different to an others when it is made into a physical form. Real art, in my opionion, stopped with the old masters, who had no other means of conveying their messages onto canvas, other than on a purely visual level.There was no photoshop, no cameras,no internet, no contact apart from within their own social circles. They had to become masters.
We have so many choices of self expression, but ultimately one is a true artist if the expression comes solely from within, and not whether an art gallery likes the potential sales, or the social circle likes the idea of having an arty friend .Stiff shyte if the public doesnt like it.If you are trying to say something, and you can do so without using your mouth too much, that, to me, makes an artist.Being popular and out there, purely for gain, or acceptance is dumb. If the layers on the canvas are produced for a reason, or as an expression of energy at that particular moment of time, sure, why not call it art/ Jackson Pollock did. As for the dudes teaching their "skills' they probably just don't want to wait until they are dead before they eat. The problem with today is that the "food on the table' has become more important than the mastery of the expression itself.And the way of the world is by mouth and word, and instant stimulation and gratification., and the buck.A good and honest piece of art can take weeks or months to compete, leaving no time for the self promotion, the verbal assault, and the limelight stealing. But that is what is needed to succeed at any business.
That is why it is probably a safer option to just go and buy a few houses, and then retire so you CAN be a hermit, and just paint and create whatever you like, without the pressure of having to conform to any bullshit to be a success! As long as i like what i create, it is my Art. And you may hate it,or love it, but I dont care because i know that the time and effort put into it, makes it Art.Hopefully, in a hundred years some people will put a value on it, as long as my kids don't throw it away when they fight over the houses:) |
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Stefan Maguran
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: Re - What's the point... |
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| I like what you say more and more - still waiting for your reply to my offer to take part in my little festival that I am not allowed to mention here. I could squeeze you in , if you would like to take part - there is still more than a month. |
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Cat
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Re - What's the point... |
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| Stefan Maguran wrote: | | I like what you say more and more - still waiting for your reply to my offer to take part in my little festival that I am not allowed to mention here. I could squeeze you in , if you would like to take part - there is still more than a month. |
..yet you still managed to mention it yet again. Subtle. 
I advise a rolled up newspaper.  |
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