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Omphaloskeptic



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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

Tango wrote:
I contacted Lawrence Denham from Chroma and he said

Quote; The integrity of the paint film is no different to the 'old' Atelier.
The paint film can be rehydrated for a period of time depending
on the humidity level [ approx 30 mins]. Then it cures and will
not take up more moisture. It does not need to be protected under glass.


Thanks for that Tango. They are definately quite different to work with than standard acrylics. Although I don't have a lot of experience with regular acrylics so my views are of somewhat limited value, all the differences I've found so far are positives. That 30 minute window makes a huge difference to me, plus the minimal colour shift and the fact that they don't get stringy or develop a film during the drying process.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

Have you used rehardened on the canvas first?
That slows acrylic up a lot.

By the way I have read up on other forums the response to this product and one comment was that it could be used like egg tempera and that it took a little getting used to.
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Omphaloskeptic



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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

Kayleen Stewart wrote:
Have you used rehardened on the canvas first?
That slows acrylic up a lot.


Don't have the faintest idea what 'rehardened' is...I just gessoed the support. I did find with the Atelier Interactive that coating the gesso with a layer of medium such as the Binder slowed it up as one would expect because of reduced absorption.

Kayleen Stewart wrote:

By the way I have read up on other forums the response to this product and one comment was that it could be used like egg tempera and that it took a little getting used to.


A quick check about egg tempera I can see that although it could be used in the same manner it would provide other dimensions due to the slower drying, the ability to use thick layers, incorporate painterly effects, etc.

From:

http://www.watercolorpainting.com/eggtempera.htm

Quote:
Egg tempera is a fast drying medium that is fluid by nature and must be applied thinly in semi-opaque and transparent layers. The binding qualities of the egg does not allow for impasto painting.

Because of tempera's fluid, fast drying property, it is best suited for a more linear style rather than the thick, brushy and painterly technique of oil painting.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

Sorry O
Typo: I meant to write - Retardener Embarassed
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Omphaloskeptic



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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

Kayleen Stewart wrote:
Sorry O
Typo: I meant to write - Retardener Embarassed


No worries Kayleen, I didn't use that either Exclamation
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

We actually interviewed Jim Cobb in December, Jim is the founder of Chroma, he and his staff invented Atelier Interactive. The interview with Jim will be online as part of http://www.artinterview.com.au soon... Very Happy

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Kayleen Stewart



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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

Omphaloskeptic wrote:
Kayleen Stewart wrote:
Sorry O
Typo: I meant to write - Retardener Embarassed


No worries Kayleen, I didn't use that either Exclamation

Well thats is the magic ingredient that makes acrylic slow down and act more like oil. Painted on the canvas first keeps an acrylic wet for ages.

Will have a look at that Brad thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

A quick question....
I've been using the Atelier Interactice acrylics intermixed with the older ones for a while with no probs, but now want to play with the longer drying time offered by the new formulation. Have any of you been able to buy the fine mist sprayer made by Chroma to complement these paints?..or can anyone recommend a fine sprayer in its place. I've tried every art shop I can find, the sprayer doesn't seem to be supplied in Aus.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

domestic goddess wrote:
A quick question....
I've been using the Atelier Interactice acrylics intermixed with the older ones for a while with no probs, but now want to play with the longer drying time offered by the new formulation. Have any of you been able to buy the fine mist sprayer made by Chroma to complement these paints?..or can anyone recommend a fine sprayer in its place. I've tried every art shop I can find, the sprayer doesn't seem to be supplied in Aus.


Hi there,

You can get what is called an "atomizer" from pretty much every supermarket or hardware or gardening centre.

I have about 8 of them! love them! ...It was actually one of the guys in the Marketing Department of Chroma years ago who suggested to me to get an "Atomizer" when I asked a similar question Very Happy he called it that, ...in the shops they are often in the gardening department and called a 'Select-a-spray'.

NOTE: The cheapest ones are $1.50 or so, but no good as they dont allow air back in when spraying, thus you have to pump harder and harder and the plastic bottle starts to colapse, you have to put a hole in it to fix it and that then starts to leak.

Hope that helps!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

I bought my little (250 ml) Atelier atomiser from the same Art shop in Towoomba that sold me some atelier Interactive acrylics. Any atomiser that gives you a similar nice fine even spray should be fine, I guess.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:59 am    Post subject: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

A cheap $1.50 spray bottle usually found in the gardening section works well. I use one for my acrylic and watercolours.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

I so have to try this Very Happy sounds like fun!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

I'm finally getting the hang of working with these paints. A little experience along with the Interactive specific mediums has made it a lot easier to achieve certain effects. The Slow Medium & Fast Medium/Fixer are finally available here, long after much of the rest of the world had them.

Both of them came in really handy on the piece 310.652 which I just posted over in the ab/con forum.

The Slow Medium works nicely in extending the open time and with judicious use of water spray one can work and rework subtle blending over a large area without much hassle. I use an airbrush to spray the water. It's much easier to control and to evenly cover a large area. (my compressor makes about as much noise as a refrigerator so it isn't a bother)

The piece mentioned above is on C.P. watercolour paper that has 2-3 coats of gesso and was done in several layers. The base was a transparent gradation of a neutral yellow at the top to a red-orange at the bottom and additional variations to the sides. Using the Slow Medium and water mist I could gradually blend and make adjustments over the whole piece rather than in sections.

This layer was covered with Fast Medium/Fixer to enable working over it with glazes, misting with water for blending, scumbling, etc. without worrying about disturbing what's underneath.

After the ground layers were fully developed and textured another layer of Fixer was applied and then the dark shapes were added. Rubbing out portions after the paint was dry to the touch was used to develop textures and forms by exposing the bright transparent colours underneath. The texture of the watercolour paper and the way the paint wipes off the Fixer layer can provide some nice effects.

Finally another layer of the Fixer went on and the final adjustments of hue and temperature were made.

I really like being able to work freely knowing that I can always go back to the stage in the underlying layer. I had tried this using the Atelier Binder Medium but found that it could effect the underlying layer more than the Fixer and didn't seem to offer as much protection. I also found the Slow Medium very useful. The non-Interactive specific Atelier Mediums don't seem to respond to the water spray in the same way, with them you lose some of the 'Interactive' qualities of the paints.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

The more I think about it the more I am getting interested in doing some acrylic work, (more than I have done). I like the idea of the less toxicity (I am NOT interested in Genesis please don't suggest them) and Liam hates Turps! (there are other considerations as well..) having used them for a bit O, would you say the interactive ones behave more like oils?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re - Atelier Interactive Acrylics Reply with quote

Hi Minxie,

One area where the Atelier Interactive are more like oils is the longer open time and the consequent ability to easily blend and adjust large areas. I don't have a lot of experience with regular acrylics because I found the rapid onset of the 'stringy' stage too constraining.

Although in some ways I prefer oils, they present the opposite problem for me with the much longer drying time leading to long waits between layers.

BTW, I use M. Graham, a very fine quality walnut oil based paint and don't use turps or any other solvent when painting or cleaning up. You might consider them if you want to continue with oils without the toxicity of solvents and the smells. And if you run out of salad oil the walnut oil tastes wonderful!
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