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druidwolfart



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

just posted the newspaper stories on facebook
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whereismycoa



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

I've been chasing up a Certificate of Authenticity for a Downton painting we purchased mid last year. Several phone calls and many promises. First it was a broken wrist or something, the latest today is that they had a 'IT disaster' and 'lost all their records' so he has asked me to send him a picture of the painting and has promised in return I will have the COA by the end of this week. I don't want someone's life drama, I just want them to do their job.

I know from personal experience it really is not hard to pop in to Officeworks and pick up two cheap USB hard drives to use as onsite and offsite backups, at the very least. "IT disaster" these days is the modern "dog ate my homework" excuse. Either an excuse or an admission of profound stupidity.

I hope we do get the COA by Friday, for his sake.

I was slightly disturbed when I typed his name in to Google looking for contact details and the like, and wow... not a well regarded person is he.

I certainly won't be buying any more art off this person and will be more diligent in my research from now on.
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gggraph



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

whereismycoa wrote:
I was slightly disturbed when I typed his name in to Google looking for contact details and the like, and wow... not a well regarded person is he.


That's Art Forum for you: Blackening the names of those whose names need blackening.

Sounds like a shoe polish, really...


Grant
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art8dave



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Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

I can't make any comment on the gallery in question, but John Downton the artist is a person held in the highest regard by his peers.

If you don't get any satisfaction with the gallery perhaps try and contact the artist directly, he lives on the South Coast of NSW near Berry.
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whereismycoa



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

Another day and more unanswered messages. I am growing concerned that something is amiss.

If I do not receive confirmation of postage tomorrow I will contact the artist directly as suggested.

Very disappointing.
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Devilbiss



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

whereismycoa wrote:
Another day and more unanswered messages. I am growing concerned that something is amiss.

If I do not receive confirmation of postage tomorrow I will contact the artist directly as suggested.

Very disappointing.


Very predictable. Rolling Eyes
Maybe The Gallery owner is losing his Mojo? Wink
I would think that the painting is authentic.
The only reason that no one is answering the phone etc is that too many angry people are calling and he is sick of listening to them. If he goes down next time it will be in a very big way, probably a lot worse than before....
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druidwolfart



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

wow... they just don't learn then Confused
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whereismycoa



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

Devilbiss wrote:


Very predictable. Rolling Eyes
Maybe The Gallery owner is losing his Mojo? Wink
I would think that the painting is authentic.
The only reason that no one is answering the phone etc is that too many angry people are calling and he is sick of listening to them. If he goes down next time it will be in a very big way, probably a lot worse than before....


I don't care, this is a matter of principle. I do not take kindly to being ignored like this.

I will get what I paid for.

I will contact the artist directly tomorrow, and Consumer Affairs.
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Devilbiss



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

whereismycoa wrote:
Devilbiss wrote:


Very predictable. Rolling Eyes
Maybe The Gallery owner is losing his Mojo? Wink
I would think that the painting is authentic.
The only reason that no one is answering the phone etc is that too many angry people are calling and he is sick of listening to them. If he goes down next time it will be in a very big way, probably a lot worse than before....


I don't care, this is a matter of principle. I do not take kindly to being ignored like this.

I will get what I paid for.

I will contact the artist directly tomorrow, and Consumer Affairs.


Please let us know the outcome.
If your painting isn't authentic then it opens up a Pandora’s Box for the gallery owner.
We have all been ignored.
You would have paid a reasonable amount of money for your artwork and if promised a C.O.A. then you should receive one.
We can understand what you are going through, we have had our phone calls emails and even face to face visits with this person ignored, and he owes a large group of artists and people who gave him their investment art to sell a hell of a lot of money. He just doesn’t seem to care.
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RobK



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:52 pm    Post subject: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

Letter of demand is the way I'd go. Tell them you expect specific performance.
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Devilbiss



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

whereismycoa wrote:

I don't care, this is a matter of principle. I do not take kindly to being ignored like this.

I will get what I paid for.

I will contact the artist directly tomorrow, and Consumer Affairs.



So how did you go with your C.O.A. ?
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RobK



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

Just changing the subject slightly... is a COA actually worth anything these days unless it has a DNA signature in it?
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druidwolfart



Joined: 22 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

RobK wrote:
Just changing the subject slightly... is a COA actually worth anything these days unless it has a DNA signature in it?


how would you include a dna signature???
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RobK



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

Oh I'm not certain but I believe some companies can include the artists DNA via a hair strand onto the hologram on the artwork itself.

After all what good is a COA if it can't be verified by the owner of the artwork. I know several artists that just run their COAs off on a printer. So many more use fancy paper etc., etc., but what good are they if there isn't some way of checking the validity of the COA itself?

No doubt the cost would be prohibitive to many artists, bar those that have made the grade.
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Devilbiss



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re - Bonnefin Gallery Vs unpaid artists... Reply with quote

A gallery in Broome asked me to provide them with a C.O.A. with every painting that I consigned to them.
I thought that it was a bit silly but people up there seemed to expect them. It was probably because most of the art sold up there was indigenous.
I just put all of my details (and the details of the painting) with an image of the painting on the certificate and signed it then laminated the certificate.
If it's not signed by the artist then it's worthless.
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